Hello and welcome. I'm so happy to be here today with Zhaleh. She was, she's been a dietitian for over 25 years and a diabetic educator for 22 years. She's currently in school to get her master's on health psychology and then further pursue her license to become a therapist. Her passion includes working with the bariatric community as well as working with obesity in children and adolescents.
She connects with her clients through compassion, humor, and active listening to help them achieve their personal goals. If you could just share a shot, like where can we find you for your website and your social media handle? It's live it with Z L I V I T W I T H Z E E. That's my website, liveitwithz.
com. My Instagram handle is liveitwithz. I chose that because. I don't like being called a dietitian. I prefer to be called a livetician. And I don't expect anyone to know how to spell my name. So I just go by Z. It's so much easier. So livet instead of diet. And that's kind of my business name. It's everything.
It's kind of my brand, I guess. Very, very fun. Well, thanks for sharing that. And I'm really excited to have you on today because you are such an interesting person with such a varied background and education and a passion for your clients, which I love. So I'm excited to share that with the listeners and inspire them.
So you've been a dietitian for over 25 years.
Can you share a little bit about if not your journey to become a dietitian and why, but maybe some of the challenges and some of the trends you've seen over the last couple of decades in the field. I think that would be helpful. So my decision to become a dietitian kind of just sort of. Well, in my lab, it wasn't what I was originally going to do.
I actually had a much different idea about what I wanted to do. I wanted to be a human rights activist. Oh, my original major was political science. And then I kind of. So I kind of veered off of that and went into psychology and I thought, okay, well, if it matters in psychology, I can't really do anything.
So I'm going to do psychology, nutrition, and then do pre med. Okay. So I did all that and applied for med school and took the MCAT and then decided I didn't want to be a doctor. So. I think if I could go back now, I would go back and do it and I would go into endocrinology, which is where I've ended up anyway, more or less.
Internships, they're hard for everyone. I'm going to definitely say my internship was challenging. It was in New Jersey. It was very clinical. The way I've seen dietetics change over the last couple decades, you know, before it was all about dieting and getting skinny. Now it's about healthy at every size and let go of the word diet mentality, which I also employ.
I don't like the word diet. As obvious by my Instagram handle. But, you know, there's been just a lot of change in that regard, you know, stopping weight bias and all that. One of the things that is completely different is I also work as a clinical dietitian, and now we have to do NFPEs for malnutrition.
And one of my things when I first became a dietitian was, I wouldn't have to touch people, and now I have to touch people. You know, it's different, you know, it's like not what I expected. That is, and they do that and remind me because I haven't been a clinical dietitian for a year for over five years now that they do, they do that because they can get more billing out of that.
Right. Because when you touch patients and you like, is that like, what's the reason? The goal of it is to identify patients either at risk for malnutrition or people who are malnourished, which is great to do because then we can. Treat them slightly differently. As a, you know, if we wait for them to become malnourished and then do it, we can maybe get a little prevention going on first.
So maybe someone who's going to have surgery, we want to make sure they're not malnourished going into surgery. But with that, with those assessments that you're doing there, you can bill for them. I don't know at a larger rate, but that's what I have been. Is that is that true? I've been told that there's advantages for billing when it comes to being able to touch patients versus other codes.
You know, I'm not really super familiar with that because we don't bill at the hospital for our services. We're part of the hospital. So what they do with that information, the case managers take it to the physicians and then they manage all the billing. But I'm assuming it does create a source of income.
Otherwise, why would we be doing it? When I, I'll say this is a podcast episode for another day. When I was a dietician, I was fast at a clinical setting. I was fascinated with billing and what can help like what brings hospital money. What is going to help them with their bottom line? What roles can we do to help, help them, you know, increase their objectives when it comes to revenue and earning.
Cause it's a business. Obviously, patient care is part of it, but I was so fascinated with, you know, why can't we bill? Why do other folks bill and they bill under us? And what does that mean? And so that's what I was asking from that standpoint, because I don't understand fully why, but I know what you're saying.
It's to prevent and to understand malnutrition. And I'm sure there are some KPIs right as to what that assessment can help do. But yeah, well, I'll have to dive into that another day for to go deeper into why. But what you're saying is that you didn't know you would have to do that. And now you have over the last few years, but you've been okay with that.
Is that what I'm hearing? It was a learning curve, but, you know, I'm, I'm okay with it now. It's been about three or four years that we have been doing it. So. And, and so in, in thank you for sharing the trends and I you're saying that you enjoy and appreciate that being a dietitian used to be about being skinny or as your words, I would say diet culture, right?
It was all about loss. That's what we were known for. I was taught in school and now there's this whole new encouragement and, trends in the media about health at every size and about. Being inclusive, which I think is fantastic. And it's really transformed how we practice and hopefully healthcare in general.
But, you know changing healthcare in general is always a longer, longer road, right? Oh, it is, you know, and even with the whole even though I'll say this, I think the intuitive eating book came out a long time ago, it's becoming more and more recognized in the media as well. And so I think that's a great skill to teach people.
I think a lot of people misunderstand it, so really getting in and helping them to truly understand what that means. Intuitive eating doesn't mean you're just going to eat donuts because that's what you want. It's, you're actually going to listen to what your body says it needs and wants and honor what your body truly means.
Yeah, absolutely. And I do agree that it can be misunderstood. And that's the hard part about being innovative and forward thinking when you're representing anything new is that it's, it's hard to, to get people to really understand it. It just look at AI artificial intelligence, right? It's still this new concept that people are learning and it'll take a while.
And I feel that health at every size and intuitive eating are similar, especially if our culture is so trained to think of diet and calories in and out. And so you're trying to now. Be inclusive about your approach. When I say you, I mean, people in general, it can be challenging for, for mindsets for, for consumers to change.
And that's why it's important for dieticians to be sensitive and aware. And also, which is a good segue to the next point of the conversation, those behavior change modification skills, those counseling skills are so important. And I one of the things that stands out to me about you and how great you are in addition to your multiple revenue streams, which we'll get to in a minute.
Is your, your not only passion, but your your skill in counseling. So can you talk a little bit about what helped you get better in counseling? I know you're going back to school to be a therapist, but what helped you what made you so attracted to that piece of dietetics and what helped you hone in on your counseling skills?
I would say, you know, and this is probably gonna get a little personal, but I would say my own experience in meeting with a dietician as a teenager I had issues with body image, obviously in high school, like many girls do, yeah, and I went down the anorexia route, and my mom took me to a dietician about 30 miles away, and This lady just pointed her, I got, she was old to me because I was 17.
She was probably in her 60s, which I'm so close to that now. I don't want to call her old, but she just, you know, pointed her little finger at me and said, you're killing yourself. And, you know, that was kind of my plan. And I didn't, she didn't ask why I was doing it. She didn't try to understand it.
She just. Scolded me and said, you need to eat 1500 calories a day. At that time, I was eating a carrot a day and drinking nice tea. So I walked outta there and I looked at my mom and I said, that's stupid. She's stupid. Don't ever take me back there. That's the dumbest profession I've ever seen. Why would anybody ever do that?
My mom took me back a second time and she was equally non emotional about anything and she was like, oh, so you're still alive and I'm like, yeah, but I didn't do your 1200 or 1500 calories. You know, so she kind of still didn't connect with me. She kind of had that scolding. personality you know, dictating what I needed to do and not trying to understand it.
So I think that's why I come to my clients with a different understanding. Like, you know, talk to me about why you're making these choices. Tell me what you'd like to get out of today's appointment. Tell me, you know, what has been your biggest struggle. Talk to me about those things. And then going from there, I sort of, guide the conversation a little bit, but I let them maintain the control of the conversation to an extent, but I guide it.
I love that. So I want to dive more into that because that's called motivational interviewing. Would you agree behavior change? Absolutely. The gold standard of, of counseling. And I would say a lot of dietitians are not trained in this formally or informally. I don't think that we all assess and measure and really put energy into our performance as motivational interviewers I've taught it and higher education.
I love motivational interviewing. But it's not required, right? And I don't, not that I know of, and I wish that dietetics taught entrepreneurship and motivational interviewing because without behavior change modification, we are unfortunately we, we do drive towards that dictatorship type of style because we're not aware of how to have conversations.
And it's really a communication skill that anyone can learn. I believe anyone can learn entrepreneurship. I believe anyone can learn behavior change modification and context of what is a good way to talk to somebody where, like you said, they're not 100 percent leading, but you are making it client centered.
You're asking them open ended questions. You're making it about them. The agenda is set by them, not you. And that's what really motivates them to like elicit change versus you telling them. You have to eat this 1200 calorie diet, which obviously it doesn't work and people don't like that, right? But it's all about finding out what is the person in front of you like and want and need.
And then obviously you have that skill to be able to do that. And that's how you've been able to build a strong relationship with their clients. So what helped you do that? And I understand that you had that experience and motivated you to do a better job than what she did. And thank you for self disclosing that.
Cause that is really personal. And I don't know if you disclose that to your clients, but that's really connecting. Okay. It depends, you know I do like, you know, they'll say something, you know, like spark. Oh, yeah, you know, I know somebody else that happened to her. I might even say, oh, yeah, that happened to me as well.
And I've had that a similar feeling. I never ever tell a client. I know how that feels because you cannot know what that client is feeling. You can say, oh, I've had a similar feeling or people have said similar things. But, you know, you can't really, like, assume to know exactly what they're thinking or feeling.
You're you're going to be such a great therapist. I already know it. And I know you want to teach right. You want to teach behavior change and you're going to do a fantastic job with that. So when it comes to, so you shared your story about what motivated you to become a dietician, you've gone down the path of you do assessments, but you also do counseling.
Can you give a couple tips or maybe share a story, obviously not identifying information about either what helped you dive in and know that this was a good skill as a dietician? Or was there a certain patient or client or situation that you felt was memorable, similar to your story of visiting that gal who obviously didn't empathize with you and helped you realize that empathizing with others would help change their lives?
Right. You know, one of the very first clients I met with was actually in a hospital. Mm-Hmm. . And he was giving up on life. He was done. He weighed 500 pounds or more. He just felt like there was death row. There was no hope for him. And not that we have a lot of time in the hospital, but really connect for our patients.
But I went in and I took the extra time at the end of my day, almost daily with him just to check in, see how he's doing, how he's feeling, you know, and we talked about what was going on in his life. We didn't really talk about food really, but we just talked about what motivated him and what his passions were and what his goals in life were.
And then we started talking about, well, how can you get to that? You know, what, what are you going to do to get there? And. He was probably one of my very first bariatric patients. He ended up getting out of the hospital, which he thought he would never do. He ended up going on to have gastric weight loss surgery.
And now he passionately has, he, he goes and helps homeless people in his state where he lives. Yeah, and he goes and talks to the members of, like, the state House of Reps and all of that, like. So he's very, also compassionate. He's also a singer. And so I listened to his music and I recently connected with him because I had a memory come up on my Facebook.
And it was him saying how thankful he was that me and this other physician Never gave up on him. So that memory came up and so I sent it to him and I said, you know, not only did you just survive, you're thriving and look at all the good you've done. So it's kind of cool. That was, that's probably one of my most memorable, memorable patients, I would say.
And I think that's what really got me into where I am now, as far as within the bariatric community. That's beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. And it's first of all, you're great at telling stories. You've already told a couple that I won't forget, including that when you went to see a dietitian when you were younger, and how that helped transform your career trajectory and how this gentleman and his body of work in the community impacted you after you and the physician impacted him.
And then he giving you credit is nice, right? Because it's a way for you to feel like you made a difference. And so you're saying that helped you with the bariatric niche, which I know you like to work bariatric, but in terms of compassion and counseling, did you notice that using some of those skills we just spoke about making it about him client centered, did that help you foster the relationship and see some kind of change in him?
Absolutely. Because not only like with him, but let's say I'm working with an adolescent, you know, I always ask them, what do you want? What is something you enjoy? Oh, it's wrestling, or it's karate, or it's whatever they enjoy. So tell me what somebody who is really good at that, what kinds of choices do they make?
How do they achieve their goals within their passion? I always try to get you, the client, to identify the passion, and then sort of go from there. Okay, how can we get you to that spot? To where you want to be in that activity, or whatever it is. Right. I've had people after talking with me, they decided to go back to school.
I've had people, you know, it's not so much nutrition counseling. It's kind of almost like life counseling, you know, because as most dietitians, well, I won't say most, but I will say for me, it's never about the food. It's rarely about the actual food. It's about what drives the food choices. And so I try to find what's going to drive them to want to change.
And that's where it comes in. The compassion, the passion, and just listening to. Their dreams and what they want, and in terms of you, first of all, I agree that it's, and it sounds counterintuitive, right? A dietitian is not about dieting and, you know, food issues is not about the food. And so that's why it's so special to have you on on this podcast episode, share your story and impart your wisdom, because having over 2 decades in the field, not only as a dietitian, but a certified diabetes educator.
There's so much knowledge and experience that you can pass down, especially as you're adding more education with becoming a therapist that, that, that I feel dietitians can learn from, even if they're further along in their career or not. There's so many dietitians that struggle with how to effectively get retention, right?
Retain a client. And how to effectively create a good experience. And I think it's largely because of communication issues, which would involve counseling. So you just gave some great tips and I appreciate that. Would you agree that you think that counseling is one of the barriers for dietitians? I think so.
I don't think we get enough education in the counseling field. And I think also, you know, there's such lines of What we're allowed to do and not allowed to do and how deep we can go at the work. That's true. Yeah, I think. Dietitians in general, they would be really good maybe at referring to therapists.
And I see more and more and more of that lately, you know, like really get your therapy, you know, it's not about the food, especially with the bariatric community, for example, you know, you're it's surgery on your stomach. It's not surgery on your brain. And You know, that first year, year and a half, that honeymoon period is great.
You're losing the weight, you're making some changes, but at that year and a half mark, where you're not seeing that scale change, and you're not seeing you know, you're not still getting all those compliments you used to get. And it's kind of, now this is your new norm, and it's hard to readjust to that without it.
Oh. Working on what was going on up here that got you into an unhealthy or an unhealthy state where you no longer wanted to be. Would you yeah, and thank you for that at that example. I think that was really helpful and it showcases your expertise in the bariatric community as well. So that's awesome positioning on your end.
Now, it just made me think, and if we're not aware on the spot, that's okay, but. Would you say there's any kind of distinguishing factor between motivational interviewing and actual, like, therapeutic counseling to make sure that dietitians stay within their scope? And if there is, would you be able to share 1 or 2 tips?
I can, I can always put a resource in the show notes, but I didn't know if you had anything that kind of like, oh, that's crossing the lines. Similar to MNT and nutrition education, I think that's a little more clear, right? Hey, we can't provide MNT if that's. Outside of scope or, or depending on how we're practicing, but when it comes to counseling, is there something similar?
I think so. Because when you're doing motivational interviewing, you're asking them what's your, why, why do you want to change? Or you're asking them, what's your barriers? Okay. Well, my barrier is let's say for example anytime I'm sad, I reach for food. Well, talk to me about when that started. If you can remember it started when I was A teenager, and I was, I felt really ignored by my family, whatever.
Oh, have you ever talked to a therapist about those feelings? That's where you do that segue, because as dieticians, we're not quote therapists. We can listen, but we can't really advise. Or, you know, there's been lots of different things people have said to me, and the stories could shock anyone. Or no one, for that matter.
Because people eat for so many different reasons. And I think that's where as a dietitian, you can kind of make that segue. You know, that sounds like that was a really tough time. Have you ever talked to a therapist about it? Instead of saying, Oh, tell me more about that. Because then you're delving into more of the therapy.
Like, tell me more about what happened when you were 10 years old or whatever, you know. And that could leave a very uncomfortable situation. I had a situation where... It was relatively new in my career and somebody divulged information to me. And I did not know what to do. And I tried to pretend like I did, but I really didn't and it would have been better for me at that point to say, have you ever spoken
with a therapist about that you would have handled it that way now because it was over kind of, it was outside of the scope of a dietician. Right. I would, in retrospect. Handle it that way now because I wasn't equipped that, you know, and it was like a very shocking statement and I don't know if he was saying it just to shock me, but.
It definitely, I will say that, like, you know, you just, you, you want to be helpful you want, but you also want to provide the right resources for people. Sure. And in doing so, that means that we are not a one stop shop and if things go into other that crossover into other specializations the same way that we want people to refer to us, we want to also refer.
Right, right. That's interesting the patient, right? Because we're all. Exactly. Client centered and we want the best for them. I always get asked questions too about like medications, for example, or, you know, and I always tell them, you know, it's out of my scope to discuss, you know, blah, blah, blah, medication.
That's a great question for your pharmacist or for your doctor and send them back to whose scope that is. Because number one, we are liable for what we tell our clients and if we give them the wrong information. That's not only looking that that could harm the client, but that also looks. Poorly on the dietician community, if we're giving the wrong information.
It does. I try to support the dietician community by making sure I'm telling them who to ask those questions of. You're you're such a wonderful advocate and that's. Segues well into the last part of our conversation today, which is you being an advocate and representing for something that so few dietitians do, and that would be creating multiple revenue streams, particularly online revenue streams.
In addition to the multiple things you do in your day to day, can you share a little bit about what you're up to and what some of the struggles have been and how you've overcome them? So one of the things I will definitely say is time is a huge issue for me because I work a lot as an understatement, probably 50 to 60 hours a week, and I'm in school.
So while I'm trying to build a business so I will say, you know, hiring an assistant has been a godsend. I was one of her first clients as a dietitian and we've been together now almost a year and she built my website. She does my newsletters. She does my weekly quotes. She does a lot for my Instagram posts.
She, You know, and is all of that revenue building? Ultimately, yes, because then that's how I get clients. I have the online e cookbook for bariatric recipes or just high protein, low carb recipes is what it's called. And then I'm also, she's, she and I are working together on putting together a journal, which we're going to start promoting at the end of because everybody January is like, Oh, let's get healthy.
Which I try to avoid kind of like, I'll start again on Monday concept. It's only Tuesday, but I'll start on Monday because, you know, it gives me six more days. So I use those concepts a lot. Another thing I'm working on putting together and I haven't fully done it yet is I have a class that I'm going to do a six week course and I also, I'm going to start, you know, with Practice Better, you can do food journals.
So I'm going to start evaluating people's food journals and giving them feedback on a weekly basis. I just haven't figured out the timing on that yet. Right now, I have kind of a motivational thing going on, and it's not a revenue source, but it's to get people up and moving, and it's my Steps Challenge for the month of November.
And it's going to be weekly prizes. It's not competing with others. It's competing with yourself. And, you know, I want people to do more than what they thought they were going to do. And to have that self I don't know, satisfaction that they can do what they set out to do. Yeah, that's that's great.
And congrats on hiring and having help so that you can get back some of that time. So your awareness to know, hey, I'm struggling with time right now because you're managing multiple things and then solve it and have it go smoothly and still reach your goals of getting stuff out there on the Internet.
It goes to show that you are highly capable of getting things moving, which is great because it takes skills to be able to do that. Right. It does. It does. Now I just need to hire a wedding assistant. Well, yeah, that's and, and so yeah, I don't know if I, if I can help you with that, but we can definitely talk about it.
And in terms of anything is there anything else you want to share in terms of tips or tricks or, or things that would help the listeners when it comes to whether it be online business or social media, or like breaking through barriers? Is there any, any tips that would help them similar to the tips that you gave with the counseling skills?
One of the things I always try to do and I love that question is. If I'm not familiar with what the client needs, I will not just look it up and try to do it because I don't want to waste the client's time. I will send them somebody who does that, like a GI dietician or an HA dietician or whatever it is because it's not my area of expertise and I don't want, like I said, waste somebody's time or like menopause and weight gain.
That's not my, I mean, I know about it. But I want people to get the help from people who actually specialize in those areas. So I think as dieticians, we don't have to do it all. And it's okay to refer to our colleagues. I think that's a really important piece. I had a client who was Arabic speaking. I referred him to a dietician who spoke Arabic.
Like, You know, because, because it's better for the client, make it about the client always and not about yourself in this position because that's where you're going to get the most respect from people and that's where you're going to get more referrals. Oh, this lady was great. She might not have been able to help me but she was able to help me by referring me.
But I think, based on what I know she can help you, you know what I mean. So, really trying to help people find who the right person is for them. Yeah, and that's a mature thing today because it can be easy to try to Oh, they came to me. I'll solve it. I am a dietitian and know how I can help them. But the reality is, if you make your business about the client and not about you, like, you've shown through various examples, whether it be through their, their needs at the time, or making the counseling about them instead of a dictatorship, it really does benefit them and they know.
And then they come back and they turn around and say, thank you to you on Facebook and they refer you. Oh, yeah, absolutely immediate. But it is, there is a payoff. Right, absolutely. And another thing I think that's really important, and when I have an intern and when I was doing outpatient at the hospital and I had an intern, I always made sure, you know, You don't go into a client with your agenda.
You, you, we want to educate, educate, educate. That's what we're taught in our internships. Educate them. You know, tell them what a carbohydrate is. Tell them how many grams of carbs are in a quarter cup of grape nuts. Well, maybe they don't eat grape nuts. So they don't really care about that. Right? So you can't go in with this agenda.
I never pre print material. When I'm going to meet with somebody outpatient, I talked to them and get an idea of what they really need. And then I'll print what I think is going to be good for that. Oh, great. I love that. And I think that's a great tip. And it goes to show that if the listeners want to know what is client centered mean.
You are giving so many examples, so many stories, so much context. Like you said, if they speak Arabic, you recommend them to an Arabic speaking dietician, if they come in and they have something GI related that you don't have enough knowledge in, you go ahead and make sure you make that referral or you're starting to divulge things that are outside of your scope and you'll let them know, that would be great to share with a therapist, or if it's about medications, like you said, then you let them know which person.
pharmacists, et cetera, would be the person they could talk to. And then you document that so that you make sure you're representing us dietitians well as, as being interdisciplinary team players, right? And that's, that's what I'm hearing from you. And it's so wonderful to have all of your 20 plus years of knowledge and experience, not only shared on this podcast and shared with the community, but also shared through your multiple revenue streams online, right?
that you send out to your community through your programming and your ebook and all of the information that you have available for purchase so that you can help more people. So thank you for that. Thanks. Yeah, it's been fun. I will definitely say, you know, through you, I've been given a lot of, because I don't think I would be where I am if I hadn't joined a digital boss.
Sweet. I don't know that I would have had the confidence to like, do any of this, you know, I had opened up an Instagram, but I had like three posts on it. It was like, okay, I know I need to do something with this. But what do I really want to do? Where do I want to take this? And so I think it's.
You've been really instrumental, honestly, and I say that authentically. I appreciate that. And thank you for the kind words. And is, was there something particular in, in the program that helped you build the confidence? Or is it just the kind of the whole kind of investing in yourself piece? Or was there something particular?
I think I really like the monthly. Zooms, that's good when I now that I can join them more too. But the modules are great. They kind of got me thinking what do I really want to do? And so they both of those and just the feedback that, you know, I know that when we pose a question, we get feedback relatively quickly.
So I, I think all of that is. Together makes it a great program. Thank you so much. I'm happy to hear that. We're thrilled to work with you and thrilled to have you represent all the great things that you do from bariatrics to advocating for your patient to counseling to continued education. Right?
Because we're continuous learners and right from your your credentials and certified diabetes educator to now going on therapists and going back to school and you do a lot. Jolly for your community for your family, you do a lot and you're obviously an overachiever, which is a lot of our community is and so I know the listeners can relate, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't come without hesitation and setbacks and us needing to take a look within and become resilient when we're feeling uncomfortable.
So I appreciate you.
Sharing your story and you, you're a very good storyteller, so please keep doing it when you're doing your reels on social, whatever you're comfortable with or build up the comfort with those are really relatable stories that you share. So for the listeners, I hope that you understand that stories are a great way to connect with your community and to build your, your reputation because people remember stories.
They don't remember facts. Right. And I always tell stories. I think I got it from my dad. He's a storyteller. It's a gift. It's, it's a total gift. And it makes people redo your clients. Say, they remember you from that. Or is it just me that says that I'll get clients and I'll message me and say, I was at the grocery store and your voice came into my head based on blah, blah, blah.
That you told me in class. And I'm like, yeah, that's, you know, if I'm, if I'm coming into their heads at the grocery store, I know I'm having, I mean, if you're coming into their heads at all, yeah. Right. Right. Exactly. If I'm coming into their heads in a positive way, I don't want to go in a negative way.
Yeah, I get that. Well, that's excellent feedback. And again, it's a testament to everything you've spoken about today, which includes making it about them, right? That's the whole general like theme I got from today is being client centered from all the stories and the threads of our communication. So on that note, is there anything you want to any last words or maybe reshare your social so that.
Folks can connect with you online and then we'll wrap up today's episode. One other thing I always, always tell people right. As I'm like, you know, kind of completing something with a client. It's you never want to ask, do you have questions? You always want to ask what questions do you have? That was a lot of information.
What questions do you have? Because then you're assuming that they have questions and they feel safe to ask them. If you say, do you have questions? The client's going to be like, nope. You just said everything and I don't want to look stupid. So no, I don't have any questions. Always, always. That was drilled into me in my internship.
If we ever finished a project or a presentation and we said, do you have questions? We were automatically failed. So always ask, you know, come and with. That was a lot of information. What questions do you have based on what we talked about? I'm going to have to take that to heart for when I do my live teaching because I don't think I frame it that way.
So thank you. I don't want to get a fail from my live teaching. No, we would auto fail. I mean, we had directors of our internship. They were pretty. That sounds dry on that one. I don't know if that would apply these days. Well, but when I have an intern and they're in with a patient, I always tell them ahead of time.
You're not going to ask them, do you have questions? I love it. I always make sure that they come with that other approach because it's inviting questions as opposed to shutting them down. There's so many, so many good tips from today's episode. This was so much fun. I already want to have you back. I'm already thinking about another.
I'm like, what can, what can we talk about next? We can dive into so many themes. Thank you so much. And one more. Oh, go ahead. Were you going to say something? Oh, I was just going to share my Instagram. That would be wonderful. Yeah. It was Livit with Z L I V I T W I T H Z E E. Your favorite limitation.
Yes. And for all the listeners, please connect with online and she's a, she's a fun storyteller with a lot of experience and loves connecting with with our peers. So, thank you again. And this was so much fun. Thank you.
